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Oct 15 11 4:52 PM

Nice addition to this thread, thanks for posting! I have made very few darts not counting thistle but I need to start or my next blowgun purchase (55 cal.) will be a waste.

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Oct 15 11 6:13 PM

Has any one tried this yet? [image]

-grizz827

Grizz, for a cone sabot like that, I usually use straw-stabilized darts...

one type I make with finishing nails and "stirrer" straws, like at this link...

another type I use arrow field points with a soda straw, like at this link...

I've used fin-stabilized darts too, but the straw stabilizers are less work to make.

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Oct 15 11 8:12 PM

I tried that technique and it worked so well (thanks Pgandy) I wanted more paper guide "donuts" but also wanted to eliminate the required careful technique of rolling each individual "donut" guide.   To that end I used one piece of newspaper ~8.5" long by ~ 6" wide rolled onto a wire "mandrel", in fact the same wire I use as dart material so the hole in this paper tube would match the wire dart shafts perfectly.

-pelletor


This technique would also work well for making filler material to adapt a relatively small diameter point to fit into a drinking straw or other type of tubular dart shaft. My latest thinking is that a lighter shaft should work better because the tail cone would have an easier job of stabilizing the dart due to less mass that needs to be moved back into the flight path when it gets a bit out of line.

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Oct 16 11 1:41 AM

Thanks guys!

@Neondog
I recently saw the steps to make a thistle dart and it seemed very involved and technique dependent, I'm not sure I'd have the patience!  I seem to remember you use them in competition shooting and it also requires a special kind of thistle too?

@C50
Great links to nail/sabot dart builds ...that also included the fps numbers and how speed increases with practice, a surprise!   I would expect accuracy to improve with practice but was surprised to see how much dart speed does too!

Is a straw used to stabilize the dart in flight, is that why you use them and not shoot plain finish nails?

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Oct 26 11 10:43 PM

That is a really cool idea grizz827

If you live in my area hit me up and lets go huntin :) pdx

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Oct 29 11 11:07 PM

Thanks guys!
@Neondog
I recently saw the steps to make a thistle dart and it seemed very involved and technique dependent, I'm not sure I'd have the patience!  I seem to remember you use them in competition shooting and it also requires a special kind of thistle too?
@C50
Great links to nail/sabot dart builds ...that also included the fps numbers and how speed increases with practice, a surprise!   I would expect accuracy to improve with practice but was surprised to see how much dart speed does too!
Is a straw used to stabilize the dart in flight, is that why you use them and not shoot plain finish nails?

-pelletor

Pelletor, sorry, I just saw this today.  Yes, in answer to your question, the straw is used to stabilize the dart in flight.  If you just shoot plain finish nails with no stabilizer, they will tumble in flight.  The straw stabilizer darts can be quite accurate at 10 yards.  8 penny nails usually weigh about 40 grains or so and will penetrate a lot of things surprisingly well, plus the blunt tip creates quite a bit of impact.  If you really want to try shooting the straw-stabilized darts at long distances, I'd recommend trying to make something similar but with a sharp tip instead of the blunt head.

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Dec 6 11 1:05 PM

I just threw out a bunch of bamboo skewer darts. I was firing them from a distance and some lobbed into place and some did crazy ivans all over the place. I am thinking that the long paper cones are causing the windplaning and am trying to create some shallower cones. Currently working with 3x5 card stock using a post it note as a template to cut 3x3 squares and cutting a notch to create a shallower cone ala the cold steel cones. I'm using vinyl electrical tape to cover and then using a spare BG to trim to size. Once I've nipped the apex of the cone and worked it over the skewer, I was liberally daubing the interior with super glue to fix it into place and water proof it. The barely dry darts seem to be flying with improved aerodynamics. No more Crazy Ivans but just trajectory flight. The trouble seems to be in trimming the cones since there isn't much space to do so.

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Dec 29 16 9:42 PM

calina wrote:
It looks like thousands of posts were lost (again). There is nothing left passed page 7.

We are missing a lot of posts for sure. I have given Chris in Yuku Support some examples where this has happened on this forum and she has passed them on to the technical staff to take a look at.

Chris posted an update on the Yuku Support forum at 11:48 PM EST 12/29/16:
"Post loss: We have the posts saved. A script is being written to insert them back into the boards."
 

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